13. Yugoslavia, Mike V, Nike SB, Tech-bros, and magical thinking - with Danijel "Jugga" Stankovic

A mysterious man is sleeping on Pers couch. Who is he and why? Is it true that you get more pop from putting digestive-crackers in your shoes? 

Warning: This episode contains extreme skateboarding lingo and lots of namedropping.

Transcript

SPEAKER_08 0:00

And please do not do that.

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Ladies and gentlemen. Take your hand off fucking mic stand.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Maximum Impact Show. We've been traveling, we've been uh holiday.

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We've been busy vacationing. So sorry to disappoint you. Uh, we had a lot of um, you know, questions. Where's the show? It's Friday. It's time.

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We've been playing with our belly buttons, folks.

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Uh, glad to see that there are people, you know, thirsting for more. Yeah. Um, but now we're back, I think, to our you know, usual schedule.

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Uh, don't forget, we got merch and the maximum impact dot show website. Yes. There's mugs, there's shirts, there's long sleeved shirts. There's you can believe fuck a tricycle's probably in there by now. Yeah. The way this guy makes stuff.

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A bunch of unexpected things.

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Hoodies. There'll probably uh be a new mug the way I'm gonna do it.

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Yeah, I'm starting to think after this episode for sure. Something with the secret guests. A familiar image. Um yeah, what else? I mean, if you want to make things easier for us, you can also become a supporter. You'll find a link in our Instagram bio. Three bucks a month. Maybe that's worth entertainment. I don't know.

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We need so much money.

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Yeah.

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So anything would help.

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I mean, and if you're um even even uh kinder, you'll become a supporter and buy something from the shop. Yeah. Wouldn't that be crazy?

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Buy stuff. We've been selling some stuff here and there. It's pretty fucking cool.

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And we're growing slowly. Um so um grow with us.

SPEAKER_08 1:39

Yeah. It is about growth at the end of the day, isn't it? Yes, it is. Very special emergency broadcast with a uh a great uh citizen of the world, I would say.

SPEAKER_06 1:54

Good description. Um he's tall.

SPEAKER_08 1:56

He's tall, he's almost as tall as me, so I'm I'm still comfortable. He's not over.

SPEAKER_06 2:00

Maybe the second tallest person.

SPEAKER_08 2:02

Slight anxiety.

SPEAKER_06 2:04

Yeah. Um he's a good skateboarder. Really good, great father.

SPEAKER_08 2:09

Great father, uh, even better.

SPEAKER_06 2:11

Great lover. Perhaps. Even better friend, I would say. He's currently sleeping on my couch. And uh, you just walked in and surprised him, and he's like, What's going on? Showed up with an extra mic stand. We said, Well, it's time for you to join the show. It's our first guest. Yes. It's a pretty good first guest, I would say.

SPEAKER_08 2:32

Great first guest, I would say.

SPEAKER_06 2:36

What else? I mean, uh, maybe we should just morph him into the chair here. Like this. Uh welcome, Daniel. Thank you. You just woke up here. I got trapped. It's uh it almost feels like a prank.

SPEAKER_08 2:55

We found a man sleeping in the studio this morning. Yeah. And uh, we figured, hey, you know, let's use what we got.

SPEAKER_06 3:01

Yeah. He just happens to be a bit of an interesting person as well. That's just lucky for us.

SPEAKER_08 3:08

So full name is Daniel Stankovic. Daniel Alexander Stankovich. And Stankovich. Stankovich. And your nickname is Yuga.

SPEAKER_07 3:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 3:21

Jugger. Jugga. You're gonna have to guide me through the slang nickname pronunciation of nationalities.

SPEAKER_07 3:29

And why do you have that name? Um, I think every skate kid gets uh gets a nickname. Very important. It starts in the skate shop by by the clerk or the owner. This is true, and uh in my case, it was uh Friedrich Bayenhug Nilsen, pile of bones, pile of bones. That was his nickname.

SPEAKER_08 3:52

That's a hell of a nickname.

SPEAKER_07 3:53

Yeah, Bainhug. He uh we were so we were going somewhere, and I was the kid that jumped into that street lab van, and uh it was not even a street lab, it was top 12. Do you remember top 12? Skate shops, guys.

SPEAKER_06 4:06

Remember, we have an audience that uh know nothing about skateboarding. Yeah, so I try to keep it, you know.

SPEAKER_07 4:12

I was the 20-question kid at the skate shop and uh got the luxury of hopping into that van. And this is probably I don't know what year, 98 maybe. Yeah, and uh there's a song on the radio, and it's by these two fabulous women, the Graf sisters.

SPEAKER_06 4:32

I remember they were like Playboy models basically.

SPEAKER_07 4:35

Nice, yeah, yeah, nice, and they they had a hit song that summer, and it was called You Yuga Yuga Juga to What I Want. You got you got you got what I want. Exactly, and Frederick's like, you got, and then he's like, You're from Yugoslavia, you got, and it just became Well, is that where you were born? No, I'm born in Sweden. Okay, your folks are from there, or your both parents are from former Yugoslavia.

SPEAKER_08 5:01

So it's like how my friends would call me like a dirty Mick. But I was born in America, yeah. But you just you you people spot you and they're just like you're the you're from these people.

SPEAKER_07 5:12

Some people see that, some people don't. I'm pretty camouflaged. Yeah, you look just like blonde and blue eyes, and I would put it. I don't have a weird big nose that's the only thing. The nose, that's that's that's revealing. Yeah, okay. Serbian nose, Serbian nose, Serbian shoulders.

SPEAKER_06 5:30

But uh, you speak the language and you blend in very well when we visit the Balkans.

SPEAKER_07 5:35

I'm still a guest there.

SPEAKER_06 5:36

You're one of them, I would say.

SPEAKER_08 5:38

Yeah, I hear stories that you're like almost you're like, yeah, this is basically I invented this little neighborhood, like you're you're a great tour guy.

SPEAKER_06 5:45

He's like a shadow walker, he's like blade. What's that mean? I mean that he's like one of them, but he's not, but he can still, you know, walk around there as he is, kind of.

unknown 5:55

That's it.

SPEAKER_07 5:56

I think, yeah. What's funny about there? Yeah, yeah, I hope so. I don't know. I don't know. I think the way 20 years ago, they everybody hated each other. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:06

And uh my do like a quick recap of the conflict.

SPEAKER_08 6:09

I would love that. I would love that. Let's start hard and brutal. Two minutes. The war.

SPEAKER_07 6:15

Explain world history. We don't want a war anymore. Life is sure. Do you remember Speak? Speak the rapper? Yeah. Yeah. He already told it. No, we haven't we haven't spoken about Speak. I guess um, I don't know. Everybody suddenly started to hate each other. Yeah, everybody wanted to break free, and uh, I think having a family divided by the two kind of strongest opinionated sides. Um I think my family chose not to, we were not able to choose sides because we had family on both.

SPEAKER_06 6:47

And Yugoslavia was like a constellation of different now countries, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 6:54

Macedonia, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, and Montenegro. Yeah. And you have Albania and then Kosovo Albania. So like it was all about I mean, it was all in the mix. Yeah. But then all of a sudden everything got dependent, like independent, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 7:14

And uh then it got to like the wild west.

SPEAKER_07 7:17

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, terrible, terrible what happened there. And I understand the hatred towards you know the different kinds, but like six months ago we were all homies. It's fucked up. And that's what's weird, you know. Yeah, and some people hold that grudge, and I I'm lucky enough to never have. I mean, we also my family escaped, so yeah, they have nothing to do with it either. So yeah, I'm a I'm a tourist when I'm there, to be honest. Like, I'm glad that uh outwardly picking it caught me in my moments, maybe, but like I feel they change the language where I go, like when we go to Croatia, for example, I speak Baba, you know, and that's its own language, I would say. That doesn't exist anymore. Really? What does it mean? Baba is grandmother. Yeah, I've baba I learned it from them. Ah, okay, okay. Because hanging out growing up, I was probably 80% of my awake time with my grandparents. Oh, cool. And they speak Serbian and Croatian, yeah, they speak Yugoslavian, yeah. Uh of course, dialects, my grandfather's dialect compared to my grandma's was different, but yeah, it's an old language. We have a skater in Stockholm. You met David Jakinda? Yeah, he speaks Baba. Get the fuck out.

SPEAKER_08 8:29

Yeah, yeah, he told me his his dad or his mom is from down there, or both. No.

SPEAKER_07 8:35

Uh his mom, I think.

SPEAKER_08 8:36

His mom, okay.

SPEAKER_06 8:37

Yeah, and that's a really weird character.

SPEAKER_07 8:40

But if you think of it, you know, me and him had uh me and him, we went to Belgrade once. Yeah. We've been dreaming about that forever. Like, we have to go down to to Serbia and meet these people and you know, show them that we're still part of it. Yeah, yeah. But uh, so yeah, he speaks the same kind of odd language.

SPEAKER_08 9:00

Man, I I was uh I remember hockey skateboards had a graphic that just said Kosovo, yeah, and I like That was Nick's board, right? I forget who yeah, it might have been because he but I was wearing like a Kosovo hat in a shop and I in a skate in like labor in New York, and this kid who I hadn't met, but I've seen him skate, and he was like a great skater, good looking kid, um, a little younger than me, so not a kid. But he's like, What's up with that fucking hat? And I was like, I don't know, it's a fucking hockey hat, dude. It's just like a hockey. He's yeah, but do you know what that is? And I was like, Kosovo, it was like they had the war, and like it's hockey being edgy or something. Like I had no real context, and he was like, Let me tell you something. So he was Serbian, yeah, and uh he broke it down for me, and by the end of him telling me this, like the hat was in the trash can. I was like, You removed this. Yeah, I don't know if I need to like run this as a billboard kind of thing on my forehead with the ideas now that I have.

SPEAKER_07 9:57

But you see, you met a Serbian, yeah, so it's his narrative.

SPEAKER_08 10:01

Oh, for sure. Um, but also I I had no idea what I would be talking about to defend a fucking random skate hat. So I was like, you know what?

SPEAKER_07 10:11

I don't need it, it's a free hat. Like, I mean, we had it, if you remember in the 90s, the Peter Beackey board, yeah, but the rebellion with the bit, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that was probably at the time of you know oh you're right. It was the the war, it was cracking off. And that was like, I remember as a kid, that was the board to have. Yeah, even in Malmo, Sweden, and we pretended we were little East Coast New York, hell yeah, and everybody had that board. So you had the Peter BC board. No, I I never had that one. Oh man, my friends had it. My family is like two-thirds Serbs, so yeah, that board was not popular at that time, but uh I could see everyone gravitates towards it, so that's a bit similar to your Kosovo hat.

SPEAKER_08 10:58

So you would have like a different take on the Kosovo hat.

SPEAKER_07 11:03

Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_08 11:04

Yeah, I because Americans didn't know any, they were just like, I don't know, man, it's crazy. Woo! It's probably bombing everything, but we didn't really have a grasp on it.

SPEAKER_07 11:11

The conflict is so complex, I think you'll you'll get you'll get different versions.

SPEAKER_06 11:18

Not even most Swedes understand it.

SPEAKER_07 11:20

No, and I don't think people down there understand it. No, because some lived it and some don't, and of I mean it's terrible what happened, but also it would take generations to kind of yeah, to change the course of when did your folks get up to Malma?

SPEAKER_08 11:37

How they got up there, or when did that right there and then or before?

SPEAKER_07 11:41

Before, way before. Okay, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 11:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 11:43

My mom is born in Italy. Oh, cool. In a small town called Latina. Nice on the way here. So they just grabbed what they could, fled the country over to Italy.

SPEAKER_05 11:53

A town name Latina. So that's why you have blue eyes and stuff. Is it that?

SPEAKER_07 11:59

No, my I mean my whole family has blue eyes. Oh, okay. Everyone has that's like it's weird. We're all yeah, we're all you come from a great stock.

SPEAKER_08 12:09

You're good.

SPEAKER_07 12:10

Yeah, I wonder where who landed that one. Good looking man, but uh yeah, then they came to Sweden. My my grandfather worked at the Kokums, it was like a big shipyard in Malmo. So he was working with boats. Hell yeah. So it was Australia or Malmo, Sweden. The options for him, yeah, with a two-year-old kid, he's like, and smoking probably a pack of uh prints filterless. He he couldn't make it on that flight all the way to Australia, but I would be a sick assurfer, maybe, if I ended up there.

SPEAKER_06 12:45

You would have been doing that. You know that what my grandfather was also at Cocums.

SPEAKER_07 12:48

Oh yeah, so they must have worked together.

SPEAKER_06 12:50

He was a welder, yeah. My big hands boat engineer, he was all the old guys worked there basically at home. That's so cool. Yeah, it's like the the hardest working place. They were they were tough, yeah. Different breed definitely. Now it's only like art directors in that area. That's mama. Yeah, I mean it's just like electric bikes down to uh oh boy, you know, uh 5k a month job. Yeah, making like loading IP shops and stuff. It's another another type of character in in those parts right now.

SPEAKER_08 13:29

I've still never been. I've been there for like eight hours or something. I've never all I hear is skateboard, skateboard, skateboard.

SPEAKER_06 13:35

That's all you need. Yeah. Eight hours.

SPEAKER_07 13:36

You gonna come?

SPEAKER_08 13:37

Some point I gotta get down there, dude.

SPEAKER_07 13:39

Well, here's an invitation. Well, I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_06 13:41

You'll you live in Yoga's little guest cabin. Yeah, I've been hearing it.

SPEAKER_07 13:45

I'll make it Serbian enough for you. I will do the chivapsi. Maximum Serbian. We do a maximum impact chivapi version at the summer house. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_08 13:54

I think when I met you, I started following all of the like Balkan meme accounts. And I was like, damn, that's cool.

SPEAKER_06 14:01

Yeah, yeah, it's good stuff.

SPEAKER_07 14:04

Yeah, it's still a good time down there. I always say like Belgrade is the New York of the Balkans of the East.

SPEAKER_08 14:12

That's amazing. I mean, I I think in when everything started to open up, uh it was be like Big Brother or somebody. Skate mags were like, don't tell anybody, but Prague is popping. Or like they would like get tours down there and be like, it's so fucking cheap, you can fly 25 dudes there.

SPEAKER_09 14:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 14:30

And skate and like everyone's happy. Um so those are the places I definitely I still gotta get down there.

SPEAKER_05 14:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 14:38

Um I gotta get everywhere.

SPEAKER_07 14:41

Are we going this year? Are we going? Is this an invitation number two to join us? You guys go down to the film festival. I would yeah, Vladimir.

SPEAKER_06 14:50

Yeah. I think we have to.

SPEAKER_07 14:52

What's that all about?

SPEAKER_06 14:54

Should we even speak about it? Because it's it's becoming too big. Yeah. We don't speak about it.

SPEAKER_08 15:01

Okay, so you go to a secret thing.

SPEAKER_06 15:03

I mean it's no longer a secret, but it's like like everything else that is very, very good, it just keeps on getting bigger every year, and then it becomes better, but also like you know, uh less fun for the for the hardcore.

SPEAKER_07 15:16

I have to say though, to credit them, they kept it real for so long. Yeah, it's this their 16th year anniversary. Yeah. So for 16 years, they kept it very neat and it's it's still as good as it was in the beginning. And that's super hard with an event. Fuck yeah. I mean, I know they have no sponsors or no, like there's they're they just do it because they want to do it.

SPEAKER_08 15:38

Yeah. Which is a rare bird.

SPEAKER_07 15:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 15:41

Um, I know that like a lot of like really cool music, like smaller music festivals, they they usually take it 10-15 years and then they cut it, they like actively stop it.

SPEAKER_07 15:51

Yeah. And like they don't want to ruin it.

SPEAKER_08 15:53

Yeah, because then it just it always leads to just like everyone bitching about it. You know, it's like, oh, it was cool, man, but now it's fucking uh so like yeah, it's like you have to know when to kill your baby sometimes and just or just start a new thing after and give a year off or something. But this thing sounds kind of fun.

SPEAKER_05 16:11

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_08 16:19

Um is only skating, or is it just whatever you make on a full screen?

SPEAKER_06 16:25

I mean, uh last year we went we like arrived a few days after it started and stayed a few days after um it finished. It finished, yeah. Post party, post party. Yeah, and then it was just like super mellow, uh cliff jumping, swimming, yeah, you know, just eating. That sounds really good. And I I felt that like that was better, but I could do I could probably do the whole week and then stay a little bit extra if we have time. Yeah, I mean it's not hard to say. Because it is a really nice vacation. It's it's also like end of September-ish. Yeah. And then it's like right when you start feeling that the summer is over here, you get like another little extension. Yeah, so it's like uh what do you call it? Indian summer?

SPEAKER_08 17:07

Uh indigenous summer is oh sorry, Native American summer. I call it Indian summer. I think Indians call it Indian summer.

SPEAKER_06 17:14

Why why is it called that? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_08 17:16

Uh I don't know. That's a good Google search.

SPEAKER_06 17:18

Um should this be the be the first little uh detective work for the day?

SPEAKER_08 17:23

Yeah, I think Indian summer, uh you yeah, you look it up in the States. I don't know, they just call random.

SPEAKER_07 17:28

I thought it was because it was so damn hot.

SPEAKER_08 17:31

It's like an unpredictable weather pattern.

SPEAKER_06 17:35

That's Native Americans, sweaty people.

SPEAKER_08 17:38

Oh, they're not just well then we have an Indian sunburn. Have you ever had that? No. Give me your wrist, pull your sleeve up.

SPEAKER_06 17:46

Oh, yeah, we have this as well, but we call it a thousand needles.

SPEAKER_08 17:49

Yeah, I've heard that. This is the Indian sunburn. I'm gonna spare you the real agony, but that was called an Indian sunburn. Then there's an Indian giver, which is ironic because it's like an Indian giver is like when you give something and then you try and take it back. But if you look in like American history, it's sort of like is not the Indians that were giving and taking back, it would be like the colony guys. But if you're smart, you just flip it and blame it on the other guy. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 18:15

Okay, there it is. The answer. What is it? According to Google, which is now AI only. Yeah. But let's let's try it. An Indian summer is an unseasonably warm, dry, and calm patch of weather that occurs in the autumn, typically after the first frost. The name likely originated in the 18th century from early North American settlers. The exact origin of the name remains debated, but several theories point to the time when Native Americans would complete their harvests or when the warm weather was linked to indigenous hunting traditions. Is that an answer? I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_08 18:52

That's like uh anything's possible. At least it's an extra chance. Oh my god, they can't. I think they just showed up attention.

SPEAKER_06 18:58

An extra chance.

SPEAKER_08 18:59

Maybe they showed up and they were just like, These Indians got crazy weather. Like it comes back. Like, and they're like, it's Indian weather. And that's what it's called now. We named them, and now we'll name their weather.

SPEAKER_06 19:13

Yeah, since we decide everything, yeah, we're calling.

SPEAKER_08 19:19

Uh, but that sounds fun because you only get about three weeks of solid hardcore summer up in these parts.

SPEAKER_06 19:26

Yeah, which is now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 19:28

So we gotta call it a creation summer.

SPEAKER_08 19:30

I like that. Do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 19:32

Creation is good.

SPEAKER_06 19:33

Vladimir Vladimir. You call the shots.

SPEAKER_07 19:36

Yeah, I I will come back with it. Make the trip, I'll make the name. I like that.

SPEAKER_06 19:42

It's a good thing. Great time. Yeah, you should come, Chris. We'd like it.

SPEAKER_08 19:47

I'm gonna add it to my list of shit I gotta do. Yeah, bring bring a family. I mean it's perfectly friendly for sure.

SPEAKER_07 19:54

Yeah, you know, there's been some babies, skate babies there. I bet you before made down there, too.

SPEAKER_08 20:00

I bet. Sorry? I bet you some babies got made down there.

SPEAKER_06 20:04

Probably.

SPEAKER_08 20:04

Or is that like a one girl to 90 man ratio? No.

SPEAKER_06 20:08

It's a pretty pretty naughty place. It's is it naughty? Naughty? Is it naughty? No, I mean, I don't know. I haven't understood that yet.

SPEAKER_08 20:16

But it's not like a blowout, like uh party like like full-blown, like if you want to.

SPEAKER_07 20:24

I mean, it's no nah, no the the the city is dead. Like the city has like the season's finished for the season, yeah. So we're like at the leg of it, and leg of it. So it's not spring break, no, no, and no crazy tourists, and it's just us. It's like it's cool to see like three, four hundred skateboarders taking over a city for the weekend, and it not being taken over by just random tourists at the same time. No, I think everybody that are there, they're there because they want to be there. They came for that. Nobody's like strolling through this city because it's the middle of nowhere. Yeah, it's like and it's not easy to get there.

SPEAKER_08 20:58

It's not a Pinterest thing.

SPEAKER_07 20:59

No, yeah, so but yeah, movies from all over the world. That's cool. They are linked to not necessarily skate videos, skate adjacent, yeah. The director could be a skateboarder or that's cool. So you get anything. Yeah, we saw we saw many, many movies.

SPEAKER_06 21:16

Yeah, a lot of weird stuff that you would not like find on Thrasher and stuff, just like Russians building ice obstacles, you know. Dude, yeah, or maybe it was a Finnish guy. No, it was the Russians, yeah. But it's it's like but that was there.

SPEAKER_08 21:31

That was in the festival.

SPEAKER_07 21:32

The premieres were there. It's almost like an independent premiere video festival, so a lot of videos scream there and then they go off to do bigger things or here's my theory.

SPEAKER_08 21:43

Yeah, I've always said this. No one else has ever said this. The skaters are pretty creative people, yeah. And they end up doing a lot of cool shit outside of skating. I know I'm like groundbreaking with this theory.

SPEAKER_05 21:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 21:56

Uh no, it's I think you just get a bunch of skaters in a room in a room like. Like one guy's a poet, one guy's a fucking got like nine bands, one guy's a painter. Yeah. Anything skate related usually pulls in like something that you're psyched you saw. And it's not even like a skateboard trick or anything.

SPEAKER_06 22:11

Exactly. This is true. That's why we're in the game.

SPEAKER_08 22:15

You're on board with my theory. Yeah, I was. I mean, I'm gonna think about it for a while, but I was a skateboard poet.

SPEAKER_07 22:21

Mike V. Remember?

SPEAKER_06 22:22

Mike V?

SPEAKER_07 22:23

Mike Vallely? No, no. The British guy. Palace. OG Palace guy. Only Todd. Yeah. Only Todd read his poem on the cliffs of an old fortress. What a fucking savage. Imagine that image.

SPEAKER_08 22:35

Yeah, that's very cool. Did you cry? That's like some uh ancient shit. I didn't cry.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Did he shed a tear? No. If that's the pavement rolling towards us through the art department foam box like a tide, it follows that the focus puller's glove turns out to be lunar gravity. The phone box is a man standing in the swash, riveted together, filled with a conversation, willing his abdicating collapse onto dry sand. Something like phone in radio to cut out the one sage-sounding chirrup in the dawn chorus, the softly clicking clasps of makeup boxes. If only we were as straight-backed and permeated, as sure about wine, as gastrically muscular when pecking prosciutto wrapped melon off a fork, or biting a ghost from the air above some stairs, pedaling a boat over fetched surf, cradling a rivet gun. Strange for a tool, eh? Oli is a good name.

SPEAKER_08 23:44

Uh, did you guys ever check out Mike V's spoken word tour slash demo? Was that uh the He did that through the States? This is Mike Villale, who I now I love after seeing that the heart attack tour. Uh, I don't know what it was, but it was him just going around screaming about like things into a microphone and just like very like scared, uh mystified children are just sitting there waiting for his autograph. And he was like, and that's why I break my trucks, thank you very much. Like something, it was like beat poetry. More like a pep talk? No, it was like him, because like maybe he didn't know he needed a band for these lyrics, and he was just like yelling poems. He would do a demo, and then later there would be like Mike's gonna do a spoken word, and everyone would gather around. And like, this was when everyone was like, dude, who is this guy? Like, what's become of Mike Valley or Vallely?

SPEAKER_04 24:40

Tweet Dreams, this is called Father. You work your whole life just to get by. You work your whole damn life till the day you die. Four months to feed, besides your own. But you always brought dinner home. And when I saw that distance in your eyes, I felt you compromise deep beneath my bones.

SPEAKER_08 25:13

He did a tour, it was like kind of through Powell or something. Um and these kids were in over their fucking heads sitting in that that audience, just staring at him like blankly, and he's getting all of his father issues out.

SPEAKER_07 25:29

I hate Rocco, like, but that would be a poem, you know. Um okay, so it was like a personal.

SPEAKER_08 25:35

I would like to romanticize Ollie Todd's as more of an artistic situation versus Mike V, who's like scanning the crowd to find a dad he can punch or something in the parking lot.

SPEAKER_07 25:48

Um and also the British accent changes the it changes the room.

SPEAKER_06 25:54

Oh, it gets slightly more historic. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_07 25:57

It feels so good. He's there with his little book and like reading it.

SPEAKER_08 26:03

The round table, the knights of the round table. And then you got Mike V who's just stuck in Jersey everywhere he goes.

SPEAKER_06 26:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 26:12

Um that's fun. But that's another episode. I do love Mike V now to conclude this. Have you met Mike V, pal?

SPEAKER_06 26:18

No, uh no. No, have you?

SPEAKER_07 26:20

I don't know. No, I don't think so. I've seen him.

SPEAKER_06 26:23

I saw him actually I did uh meet him slight like for a minute in the Heart to Talk tour. Was he on the Mike V and the Rats? And then they had like a mini ramp. Oh, we always built up a mini ramp uh behind the venue in my hometown. You know he skated for shredded it hard.

SPEAKER_07 26:44

Yeah, but he skated for a Swedish shoe company.

SPEAKER_08 26:47

What shoe was that?

SPEAKER_07 26:49

Servant.

SPEAKER_08 26:50

Sounds like something he would do, just it's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_07 26:53

Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_06 26:54

I remember Servant. Yeah, I don't see. Yeah, but that was kind of late uh servant, right? It's like the big launch kind of wasn't it?

SPEAKER_07 27:02

2010? Holy shit.

SPEAKER_06 27:04

I I really like those.

SPEAKER_07 27:05

Yeah, or maybe a little bit earlier.

SPEAKER_06 27:07

I saw some old guy selling like Deadstock of Servants in an old landscape party group. If you want to really, I'm skating iPath now from all grass hop. Can I read mids?

SPEAKER_08 27:20

Uh my friend was like a team manager and a photographer for I think he did think and he was like shooting a bunch of shit, but I think he did a he did an iPath tour that got double booked at a Mike Valleli demo. So they showed up in like the Midwest and like they pull up and Mike V's like pacing around in front because he clearly had just gotten the news that there's also a bunch of hippies coming to his demo. This is like when he was doing solo like circus style, like so. They had a hockey rink, and like Mike V like comes up to my friend, he's like, Here's the deal if you're gonna do this, you need to do this right. And he gave them like what sounded like a fucking like um a pro wrestling sort of like plan for the demo, which looking back sounds how like how you do demos. He's like, None of you guys are gonna land your shit right off the bat. You're gonna fucking work, we're gonna pump the crowd. You're gonna land your bangers, but you gotta wait like 45 minutes to get the crowd involved, and they're gonna cheer for you. Then you get the hell out of the way. Then I come in, and that's the main event. And it was like he had studied like boxing or wrestling, probably more he was into wrestling, but like how you like jack the crowd slowly.

SPEAKER_06 28:32

But he's a showman. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_08 28:34

So he like he's purposely missing, and he's like having these battles, and he's like fighting a trash can and headbutting a wall, and everyone's like, Oh my god! And he's like and he's attending them somewhere, and they were like dying laughing, like trying not to laugh while they're being yelled at, like as like a pregame warm-up speech. But now I fucking get it. It's like he's building a show, like from his perspective, he's bringing the elephants and the giraffes in the circus to town, and he's like, You're not gonna smoke weed and drink beers at this demo, you're gonna be like a wrestler. He was in wrestling, right? He did it, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:09

You could tell, like he was in amateur wrestling, no.

SPEAKER_08 29:16

Uh yeah, no, like pretty much style.

SPEAKER_06 29:19

No, he did. The guy with the board, the guy's done everything.

SPEAKER_08 29:21

Skater, Mike V, the skater, and he's just like Yeah, and he's like smashed the board on people's heads and stuff.

SPEAKER_06 29:28

Um yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_07 29:31

But yeah, that was my I would love to. I I'd paid to see that show today. Oh my god. Yeah, how much would you pay? 50 bucks.

SPEAKER_08 29:39

50 bucks. Yeah, of course. You got love for the game.

SPEAKER_06 29:42

I'm I like it. I mean, I would I would probably find a guest list. Yeah, you are the guest list.

SPEAKER_08 29:49

Can I get a plus one? When yeah, do you have come for the last 20 minutes for free?

SPEAKER_07 29:56

Yeah. No, that's that's extra. That's when he's fired up. That is that that's the that's the heavyweight fight on the card when he's fighting. But think of it, you know, demo kind of disappeared. Yeah. And for sure. If you had Mike V's playbook sitting on all these brands, yeah, you might I mean he you might be in a better shape.

SPEAKER_08 30:17

He went out and was like, I'm just gonna be the demo guy, and I'll figure it all out, and I'm gonna bring the circus to town and like create conflict in in the demo and get the crowd juiced up like they're screaming for Hulk Hogan.

SPEAKER_07 30:31

But didn't everything kind of start it that way?

SPEAKER_08 30:33

That's what I think. His point was is like he was a paid traveling skater and he had to show up and like get the crowd going. Yeah, he was doing crowd work, and uh as it faded away, that was kind of all he knew how to do.

SPEAKER_07 30:45

So his product probably flew off the shelf after.

SPEAKER_08 30:49

I think he's been pulling on this show. It's like coming to town with your band, and your fucking then your record sales go up. Yeah, like you play if you if you put in the work, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:57

Yeah, you just are self-important up there playing your shit, you know. Yeah, no, being anonymous, then you might not sell it.

SPEAKER_08 31:04

And when he saw these like dudes with like joints hanging out of their mouths, was like holding beers, he's like, nah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, other than you celebrate after the demo, yeah. Like, we're going big today.

SPEAKER_06 31:15

The hacky sack, you need to put that shit down. Yeah, like that's for after the demo, guys.

SPEAKER_08 31:19

He's just smashing their acoustic guitar.

SPEAKER_06 31:22

Yeah, like you literally needs to go, okay.

SPEAKER_08 31:24

Take your bongos and stick them back to the crazy blue iPad.

SPEAKER_07 31:28

They're probably the opposite of where he was at that time. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_08 31:32

It's not like could you imagine just like fuck? Because they're like, yeah, they're doing hacky sacks. They're like you're ruining my eye, dude.

SPEAKER_07 31:41

We need this. We need the other side of this Matt McGinley.

SPEAKER_08 31:47

Oh, he was on the D was the guy that had to talk to Mike V and be like, yeah, so we're booked here too. Oh my D told me the story. He was like, it was insane. And I was trying to keep a straight face while being lectured about what was gonna happen. Wow. Um we need to dig, we need to see. I want to hear what's the backpack one, you reckon? Probably. I mean, iPath was doing great back then. I mean, it was before they went away. When was this? Like 2005, six? Probably, yeah. They were like still demoing the teams out, but uh demos were fading away. Um yeah, that sounds late, probably earlier.

SPEAKER_07 32:23

Really? When did iPath 2001?

SPEAKER_06 32:28

The the promo.

SPEAKER_07 32:29

Yeah. Was it 2001?

SPEAKER_06 32:32

No. Maybe, yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_07 32:34

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 32:36

I'm always confused. We're gonna we're gonna I'll do some digging.

SPEAKER_08 32:41

I love imagining the fucking room they were all sitting in. Like it was a locker room in a hockey rank, if I remember, and like he's basically screaming at them like he's the angry coach, and they're just like, man, what the fuck are we doing here?

SPEAKER_06 32:53

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_07 32:55

I need to go, I need to www.mikeyv.com. There's gonna be like a year chronological. Let's find this demo.

SPEAKER_06 33:04

Like an HTML built website.

SPEAKER_08 33:11

It's gotta be. He's worth it.

SPEAKER_06 33:13

Yeah. Um hell yeah. That's cool.

SPEAKER_08 33:19

Yuga, you've been up to something the last couple years. You're breaking into the tech industry. Yeah, I would say you're now one of my new tech bros.

SPEAKER_07 33:31

Yeah, I'm the I'm the app guy.

SPEAKER_08 33:33

You get these apps. Um, you get a thing called Shinner. Yep. Uh could you lay that out for us?

SPEAKER_07 33:42

Um, sure. Pretty straightforward. Everybody had the idea, it's not an original idea. Um, people have been sharing spots over pins and Google Maps for years. Um, I I mean we have a friend in common that Jonas, he he built this on his own. So he um yeah, he sat just in his bed and coded for a couple months, and then because he was frustrated that nobody made a good spot app or a spot map.

SPEAKER_06 34:12

Yeah, that was a spot is a place where you can skate. It could be a state.

SPEAKER_07 34:18

Take it for those who don't skate, it's trip advisor Strava Yelp put in one app.

SPEAKER_08 34:24

It could be for golf courses or surf spots or camping sites.

SPEAKER_07 34:29

Yeah, my Serbian cousin is actually making one for golf, right?

SPEAKER_08 34:33

It makes sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 34:34

Makes sense to share.

SPEAKER_06 34:36

Because you need to find places, yeah. If you don't want to look, you need to find them.

SPEAKER_07 34:43

I think people are lazy to look, but then again, it shouldn't explore, it shouldn't take over the kind of charming thing of like go out and explore. Yeah, but it it sends you maybe in a direction, you know. If you're if I land tomorrow in Bratislava, I know I don't know anything. Yeah, but through Instagram, through DMs, through WhatsApps, you can you can find pretty much everything.

SPEAKER_08 35:05

I think skaters, this would apply better to skaters in good ways because your brain is scanning your surroundings constantly. So if you just get like a little beacon, like, oh, there's a spot over here, you'll probably even find things on your way to that, and then you look at it and exactly away from another person.

SPEAKER_07 35:22

And the spots, I mean, there's so many. Yeah, there's so many spots being unskated right now. And telling me if you if you think of it culturally, like surfers, I understand why surfers are a bit more protective of their spots. Yeah, because they're not there's not enough waves for the amount of people that surfs. So 100%. There's a lot of things. But the spots are there to like longer than you're awake, and some of them are never being skated. And we're not surfers. I think it's time to do it.

SPEAKER_08 35:51

It's very different from surf spots. I think surf spots are like more they're more precious. A skate spot is there to just get like attacked by every person's different idea.

SPEAKER_07 36:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 36:02

And you can build on it, you can skate it. This you could do the same thing in a slightly like different way. I I I I totally get why surfers are protective, but skate spots. Oh, you almost need more people sometimes. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like you bring more brains to a thing and the spot like rejuvenates.

SPEAKER_07 36:17

Yeah. Um so basically we built an app for that. And then we build layers on top of it. We have global events and yeah, like fun little scavenger hunts, and we've tried a lot. We've been alive for six years, which is like usually when you start in the startup world, you got you know, nine till eighteen months to do impact. Which I know in skateboarding, like good luck. You won't you need a decade, yeah. Maybe we're still dying, you know, every day. But I think we built a great tool, and yeah, I want to see it still be there.

SPEAKER_08 36:57

I think for generations, but you've also now you've got uh an extra thing that's sort of a branches off of this. It's a shin eye.

SPEAKER_07 37:06

Yeah, that's that's also like we're I I almost see us as problem solvers, you know, like with the tech you can now solve a lot of things. Yes, and uh it's actually our friend Martin, Mr. Defect.

SPEAKER_06 37:23

Okay. He uh who is he like compared to I mean he's the what's the American equivalent of uh Ulto's?

SPEAKER_07 37:32

Yeah, somebody at 411 or Trans World, like some GOAT that has been part of skateboarding, giving everything he got. He ran brands, websites, okay, he's done podcasts in Sweden. Yeah, hundred episodes they did before even people knew what podcasts was. Oh yeah. He's uh and I had a brand with him back in the day. And what'd you have? It was called Post Details. Uh-huh. We were obsessing about a hat, and then we created the hat, then we created the beanie, and then I've read about this. Yeah, yeah. So, like Martin is uh a skateboard oracle or whatever, he's so good at everything he does. He he used every camera that there ever been to like used in skateboarding, yeah, photography or filming, yeah, yeah. And now that everybody has a phone, everybody has a camera, uh, I'm super not into the 0.5 lens because I'm tall. You're also tall. It stretches look like avatars.

SPEAKER_08 38:32

Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't translate anymore.

SPEAKER_07 38:34

Martin, it was like a classic what if scenario. This is probably at the bar.

SPEAKER_08 38:39

But that you're talking about a 0.5 lens on on a your average Apple phone. Yeah, it's your wide, you can go wide on your phone, and it it's it just looks bizarre. It doesn't translate very well if you care about what you're looking for.

SPEAKER_07 38:51

It's easy to film with, but it doesn't look right. Yeah, and we were like, what if you can make it look right? Yeah, and then we just started to look at footage, compare the VX with MK1, comparing your classic skate cameras, yeah. The Sony VX camera attached with a MK1. How much bulge effect? Because what people don't get is that the iPhone's lens is a straight distortion. Okay, it's not a fisheye. Okay, it drags the pixels to make a room look bigger or to make a car look sleeker.

SPEAKER_08 39:26

So it's not absorbing more information, no, it stretches it, pushing it, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:31

So we remove we managed to like build another layer on that. Remove it, bulge it. I mean, Martin is the genius, he's like so nerdy with it. Yeah, he masked all the footage and like created a bulge, and we tested for so long. It took us almost a year.

SPEAKER_08 39:48

Is this dude like self-taught basically?

SPEAKER_07 39:50

Yeah, what a freak. Yeah, he's he's he's the best. It's crazy. And then we like, yeah, we tested with the skate school in the skate high school in in uh in Mao and tested it with a lot of filmers, and and then we just made the product. We've we finalized it, which is great, you know. That is sick. Uh and yeah, it launched in what was it, August last year.

SPEAKER_06 40:13

Yeah, so to to to just um uh so it is official. Explain it quickly. It's like a wide angle lens in an application that looks exactly like the wide angle you want on like analog skate cameras, yeah, basically. Or like just cameras, yeah, but which are very sought after like um aesthetics, I guess. Yeah. And now you don't need like an X, like because back in the days you had clip-on lenses for your iPhones, you know, to get that kind of look. But things look like that, and now you don't need anything, it's just an app.

SPEAKER_07 40:50

You know, any accessory to an iPhone, you know, they change or they move the camera, the shapes change half a millimeter, the the thing you bought don't fit. So you're like, you don't need all that. Let's just rework it from the inside.

SPEAKER_08 41:03

But I I I I think you gave me a like a beta version of it for a while.

SPEAKER_07 41:07

Yeah, like a long time ago.

SPEAKER_08 41:09

You don't like it's not just good for skating, it's like a fun fucking camera. It's just like for cameras, like it's it's great. Like to shoot, yeah, you can shoot a music video of your friends and make it look like the Beastie Boys, you know, like exactly with your phone, like, and you don't have to drag any like hardware onto your phone. It's uh I think it's cool outside of SkateBrain, like it's just like a good fucking app, you know. You got an email for somebody, right?

SPEAKER_07 41:36

Somebody emailed the best email this year. Um, I mean, you're always you know, you release something and you we're all like hoping for this too. Yeah, because this could save the other app. That's why we built for sure. Because this is monetization straightaway, it's a subscription. I mean, we looked at all the like click-ons, they go from 20 bucks up until you could go 180 as big as you want, yeah. But you know, what is 20 bucks in a year for a product that actually like you always have a fish out with you, yeah. So we're hoping for that to kind of save the rest of the apps, yeah, you know, and uh but like sitting with this, and I mean I'm skating three to four times a week, and you see people still taking out the zero five, yeah, even your closest friends, yeah. And this is like running anything, running a brand, running like your friends are probably the last one to support you, yeah. Which is a weird thing.

SPEAKER_08 42:30

It's like but also that like people get in like habits, and like they need to be like shaken a little once in a while.

SPEAKER_07 42:36

So, like in this depression mode when you're like, oh, it's not flying, like I did we do it wrong, yeah. You self-doubt yourself, but I got a I got an email, uh, and I was like, somebody's pranking me, you know, like who who is this person, you know. But then it actually it was like a genuine uh email about like feedback from a tester or from a from uh someone that subscribed and just like uh confirming that we have built something good. He's like, I'm film yo, I'm just wanted to reach out, say what an awesome product. I'm using this uh exclusively for all my fisheye clips in my new video part. And then he had some feedback on like uh um yeah, just you UI. Yeah, yeah. So we took that in. I showed the team, like, yo, look at this. Who was it?

SPEAKER_08 43:25

Just like a some guy.

SPEAKER_07 43:26

Probably the one that clocked the most VX MK1 clips. It was just Mr. Sir Josh Kallis.

SPEAKER_08 43:32

Oh shit!

SPEAKER_07 43:33

And that that made us like that. Was a celebration over Slack because we have a virtual office, but yeah, still like wow, he got it. Yeah, if he gets it, then that's he know he sees us, especially for older guys that can't use anything technological. He's just like this works, and I'm so thankful. And now we're having this conversation like he's he's really a tester, like he comes with feedback almost yeah, every third week.

SPEAKER_08 43:58

Yeah, so Josh Callis is. A pro skater who made his biggest impact shooting all of his footage with this camera that you're basically replicating into your phone app.

SPEAKER_06 44:09

Which is also very like big of him, I think. You know, to not be one of those like holding on to like the actual camera, you know. Like it's like it's time to move on and like make things easy. Yeah, yeah. And it's okay, because who cares about anything these days?

SPEAKER_08 44:24

I mean, I care about stuff.

SPEAKER_06 44:25

Yeah, but you're not like a VX warrior.

SPEAKER_08 44:28

Personally, no.

SPEAKER_06 44:30

No, and I mean there are those out there, of course, but you know, it looks fun. It looks really good.

SPEAKER_07 44:37

I mean, the thing is as well, like I love that too. Yeah. I'm not trying to discredit people that go through the mess of logging tapes or even you know, digitalize it. That you see people do that now. Yeah, digital backer. Strap it on, yeah. Exactly. I mean, that's amazing. Like, yeah, but how many are they that like are the 14 or 15 year olds today gonna do that?

SPEAKER_08 44:57

Plus, all those cameras are just breaking and falling apart. So no, I think this just brings more fun to the game.

SPEAKER_07 45:02

Yeah, it's a bit easy, it's a shortcut, but it's not replacing anything. Yeah, no, yeah, that's uh it's just an add-on. It's like it's replacing the zero five. It's fun because the zero five sucks. No, that's garbage.

SPEAKER_08 45:14

That that lens is like a bad joke that they're like, Here, put this feature in here. It's like it was never built for us, no, you know, and I've tried flipping it one way and flipping it the other way, and there's no way to make anything look kind of cool, it just looks like bizarre.

SPEAKER_07 45:27

Um, so that was that was the that was the the the peak, you know. Like we got that mail, and now we're conversation, yeah, you know, working through that, and yeah. I'm looking forward to see his part though. Hell yeah, you know, because we didn't watermark anything or brand it, you know, like it's there, and you're gonna see it, like if you know, you know, kind of. Did you think about watermarking it? Of course, we thought about everything like that, but then it's always so brutal. Yeah, it is. I hate that shit, you know. It's like this sucks, even though the thing might be doing a cool thing, you're just like, ah maybe just trust the process. I know it's good, you know. It looks fun, it's very fun. I think Croatia, for example. You know, who's gonna carry the VX? It's like moisty country, you're like out with five guys, you have it in a backpack, it's just gonna probably break after the trip.

SPEAKER_08 46:20

Shit, a summer in Philly is just about as stinky and sweaty as anywhere else.

SPEAKER_07 46:24

And we just we came back with fisheye footy. Yeah, that's awesome, man.

SPEAKER_06 46:29

So yeah, yeah, it's a great product. I would recommend it. Even though I'm locked out of the free version, and then I'm not gonna subscribe because who can who's a fan of their friends, right?

SPEAKER_07 46:38

Anybody want to try it? Let's do. Do you do lottery and stuff here? Comment in comment below and if you decide. Yeah, we could we could figure that out. And then can I put a code in the you know, in the comment 100%?

SPEAKER_06 46:50

You can put a code up here on the window.

SPEAKER_07 46:52

Yeah, you can put it in the window, or we do like a quiz. Let's come up with a question and they have to answer below. Okay, we'll see. What year was the VX camera made?

SPEAKER_08 47:06

Oh man, some some film.

SPEAKER_06 47:08

Can we do a question that's not Googleable?

SPEAKER_08 47:10

Okay, yeah, but that's okay. I think we should do something. Let's come up with something.

SPEAKER_06 47:16

We need to involve people here. We're not I mean, it's just gonna be like Gabba Googling and then he's gonna get a free no, hell no.

SPEAKER_07 47:25

Okay, let's figure out a question. Let's figure out a question that nobody can Google, and then we check the answers, and then we reward whoever we think was closest or had the best answer.

SPEAKER_08 47:36

What question could be not Googleable? Um It's like, what's your favorite color? And then someone's like, blue! I said blue, it is my favorite color.

SPEAKER_06 47:48

That's true. Maybe we maybe we should do a question that's actually Google more good.

SPEAKER_07 47:52

Yeah, we'll we'll we'll uh we'll think about it.

SPEAKER_08 47:54

It's just whoever gets it first.

SPEAKER_07 47:57

Whoever answers it. Whoever gets it first.

SPEAKER_06 47:58

Yeah, fuck it.

SPEAKER_07 47:59

Do you have those on your wall? Like first. Remember that was a thing?

SPEAKER_06 48:02

No, maybe we will in this episode. First, dude, it's often it's often Chris who's first.

SPEAKER_08 48:07

We're progress. Chris is first. Chris is always the first live episode. Got us to put if you don't love yourself, no one else can love you.

SPEAKER_06 48:14

Take your hand off that mic's and ASAP. Dude, this is my safety grab.

SPEAKER_08 48:18

That's all that's my uh actually. I'm not picking up. I think we're stuff's good right now. There's no shaky noises.

SPEAKER_06 48:26

Um go get the go get the shin eye app.

SPEAKER_07 48:30

Yeah, the shin eye app. You shoot a lot. But yeah, photography wet.

SPEAKER_08 48:34

But the thing is, like I use fish eye, like, yeah, but do fish eye's fucking back, dog. Like finally, like, you got to take that thing out of the closet for your regular photo shoots in the last like five or six years. Now every client's like, you know what'd be great? You have a little, do you have a fish eye? They're like, they're they're a little nervous to mention a fisheye because there's it's still like coming to the table. But now, like everyone's like, if you could just do a little fisheye, and like fucking around. I've you I've even used your app to make to just get stills off of it, yeah. Like, and use that as like a still image. Like, I think your app is so fun to fuck with for anything, not just I mean, it is coming from a skateboard world, but like you can do wild shit with it. Like, I I I did all these videos when we were mushroom hunting last year with your fish eye, uh on like the trippy looking mushrooms with like sun leaking in from the trees. Like, I was like out in space with your with your app, not just skating with it at all.

SPEAKER_07 49:32

Um, and I remember you you you almost requested early on, like, can we do regular photo stuff with it? You know, because we didn't have the video camera, but we couldn't have the photo option, but yeah, because fucking something we can do.

SPEAKER_08 49:45

The iPhone is just a trashy zero five.

SPEAKER_07 49:48

But let's figure out what we can do to make the shot like because taking a photo with a phone, a moving object, like yeah, you lose something. We probably need to create the settings, you know. But I think it is like a special camera.

SPEAKER_08 50:02

You'd kick the door open on a ton more shit. Yeah, but we could. You could.

SPEAKER_07 50:06

Um also we got requests for the zoom. Like, how do we how do you because you actually change the lens on a camera, yeah, yeah, true. So, how can we just do a great zoom? You know, do you like the pinch zoom or do you look like the thumb zoom or like a long lens? Yeah, like a long lens. So we're probably gonna. I mean, this is the first version, right? Yeah, we iterate it every time. You're definitely on to something. So let's let's look into uh like a still thing.

SPEAKER_08 50:32

I think it's like skater brains are like better for coming up with this shit, and then it gets picked up, but then people catch on like after, yeah, you know. Um because I think I think a lot of like I've I've noticed it like in the photo industry, like people are amazed when they work with people that come from like action sports, and and and they're like, Yeah, that they're so fast that they could just deal with stuff. It's like is the skaters and whatever action sports photographers, video guys.

SPEAKER_07 50:59

Yeah, you've got three seconds.

SPEAKER_08 51:00

Three seconds, you're kneeling in a puddle of piss, and there's like a cop about to hit you in the head, and your buddy might kill himself, all happening in 30 seconds. So, like when you get these the way of thinking is so foreign to like regular production where you control everything and you say stop and the traffic stops. I think a brain from like our area of of uh life is like far more practical and fast moving and adaptable than someone who needs the perfect setting. So I think anything that like comes like ingenuity comes from it faster, and uh I don't know, it's always there's always gems coming out of like this area of the world.

SPEAKER_07 51:42

Um, because people just have to make shit work fast, they can't complain, they have to like figure it out, and like uh but you've you've been on a commercial shoot that try to include skate, yeah, or some you know, messed up whatever creative director and trying to like, oh can you do that again? That was great, yeah. Like, no, you're yeah, no, we we I'm not acting here.

SPEAKER_08 52:02

We got like that was our chance, yeah. You missed it, but I feel like I've I've talked to some art directors and they're just amazed at how much someone who comes from a skateboard background can roll with the punches, and if something explodes, they don't cry and pee their pants. They just like I got tape over there, tape that fucker back together. Like, we can't I'll just lean this way. Someone hold my belt while I hang off a cliff. Like, I think the the brain is like it's I don't know, it's good. It it creates things like this. Like you're constantly thinking, um how to do a lot with a little? Yeah, you make something out of nothing. That's what that's what I was rambling on to get to. Can you increase my pop with your app? Can you add that? I mean, it will look not dragged out, it would look no, I mean, physically make me better at skating. Can you do that? You know, do you have does your man have a code or something that I could?

SPEAKER_07 53:01

There is a I mean, an urban legend, a myth about me and my my so-called pop. I've heard this. Um we had these, they were not from Almo, kids from the outskirts, and they fooled everyone that I used to put uh you know, digestive cakes, you know, the yeah, yeah, the little they have those bars. Yeah, have you seen the bars with little chocolate on it? Oh, dude, I've the rumor was I had those between my insolts. No shit. And that's how I could pop.

SPEAKER_06 53:31

That because your pop was Why would you put chocolate crackers in your shoes? Well, there was no rumor mill. There was no internet. So it's like it was magic. It was like some voodoo stuff or I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 53:45

Yeah, I'm fine. Ask Brian because I called me like kangaroo legs. Brian, if you remember Brian, um kickflip, Sarasambi. Brian. That's a good one. I like he started that rumor, and that was funny because I heard it not when the rumor mill was gone, but a long time after, you know. That's so true. It's like, oh, was it true that you put digestive cakes in between your insoles? And you're just looking him straight in the eye, like, dude. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_08 54:09

Obviously. I just didn't tell him. I'm glad you finally figured it out. Yeah, it's like how it makes no sense.

SPEAKER_07 54:15

I mean, now I'm making zero sense. I mean, what makes sense? So it was basically magic.

SPEAKER_06 54:19

Was it like a Balkan uh home?

SPEAKER_08 54:21

No, no, you're you're fucking that's what they did in uh in World War II. They like because I think the the Allies or the Americans had radar before the the the enemy had it, and they were just like pegging planes in the fog and like just landing bombs where they needed to be. And everyone was like, How the fuck are they doing this? And like the US Army was like, We feed our soldiers lots of carrots because they improve your eyesight, and everyone was like, Oh shit, all right, like and everyone started eating carrots, and then like eight months later, like, nah, we ever Ate R. Like, you guys just didn't invent it yet. So the whole like carrots and the eyesight thing was just like to buy time.

SPEAKER_06 55:03

Have you heard about the much like your the carrot colour conspiracy? Uh here we go. This is a crazy one. This is this is the most fucked up thing I've ever learned orange. Karen's weren't orange from the beginning. It's it's the Dutch uh Netherlands. You told me orange because of the flag. I mean, they are orange, but it wasn't like the dominant. Look at him, he's so skeptical.

SPEAKER_08 55:32

No, I'm I'm ready. Okay, are you?

SPEAKER_06 55:34

Yeah, so yeah, it's basically like the Dutch promoting the the orange colour.

SPEAKER_08 55:41

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 55:42

So they like started, like, I guess, you know, just growing the orange one and exporting it. And just telling people this is what it's because back in the days they were like purple, you know, yellow, all the colours basically. Yeah, right. Which are now like, oh my god, it's a yellow carrot. That's special. Yeah. But they all look like that. Yeah. So they took like they like dominated the whole industry. I've never trusted the Dutchman. And turned them orange basically. And now everyone's like, but carrots orange, but they aren't.

SPEAKER_08 56:08

Don't trust the Dutchman as far as you can throw them. That's what I said.

SPEAKER_06 56:11

No, they have a bunch of stuff going on. Unbelievable. You lived in Amsterdam for a while.

SPEAKER_07 56:17

I I did. I commuted. I was there like in the weeks. Yeah. What's the vibe? Monday to Thursday. It's a great vibe. Yeah. Compared to my like Amsterdam is a fairly small city too. Also bike oriented, so yeah. Everybody goes by bike. But it's um yeah, it's a beautiful city, old city. Um had the pleasure of yeah being there for six and a half years.

SPEAKER_06 56:42

Yeah. Working with the shoe boys.

SPEAKER_07 56:45

With the shoe boys and girls, of course.

SPEAKER_08 56:49

You're doing Nike out of Amsterdam.

SPEAKER_07 56:52

Yeah, their their EHQ, like the headquarters were in Hilversum, so we all lived in Amsterdam and commuted there. And yeah, that's where the center is. So you have Portland and then you have Amsterdam.

SPEAKER_08 57:02

Amsterdam, okay. And I wouldn't personally set up a giant headquarters in Mushroom City, but I guess you get some fun ideas out of it.

SPEAKER_07 57:12

You saw the product in that type.

SPEAKER_08 57:14

It was cranking. It was cranking. It was uh very let's make an ice cream shoe, dude. Here's the deal, man. Okay, right? Okay, so you listening, man? It's gonna be like, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 57:27

Let's I mean, I I honestly say those 15 years I was at SB.

SPEAKER_08 57:32

That was how long?

SPEAKER_07 57:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 57:33

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_07 57:34

All right, yeah. That's that's a long, long time.

SPEAKER_08 57:39

That's a long time.

SPEAKER_07 57:40

But the best ideas definitely did not happen at campus. Yeah, shots fired, big bar culture, big like I mean, we used to travel together, and and you know, you throw a bunch of creators into whatever, and yeah, like you said, they make something out of nothing, and I think uh best ideas happens at the bars. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 58:06

That's cool. Did you have what what are like what's like a couple memorable project where you stand back and you're still pointing at it, like, yeah, we fucking that was dope. Did you do anything out in like Europe?

SPEAKER_07 58:18

In 15 years, there's so many, you know, it's a long, it's what's a fun one. There's so many fun ones, but I think um if I'm looking from a Euro standpoint, that would help. Um what we did with the writers. Okay, like I mean, you're from the other side, so you do you remember there was a glass ceiling on Europe? Hell yeah. Someone put you guys an imaginary glass ceiling, yeah. And we were not allowed like USA number one is what I tell everybody. And uh we were a small dedicated team that tried to penetrate that bubble. Yeah. And uh I'm not alone in this, it was a lot of people, but uh Colin Kennedy is one of them, you know, is one of my absolute favorite persons. Steeped in history. So just to see these young, I mean, we see young skaters and young talent, and yeah, you see those who like you almost, it's like a dream factory, you know. You like you can you can put them in the right direction and try to get them because the goal was to get everybody overseas to become to become like respected in the world of skateboarding that was led through US US and to see that have worked with so many of our young kids, and and you know, from seeing Asuki from nine years old to where he superstar to where he went. Yeah, so that's one big thing that I take with me because that's the most like wholesome, good, like good answer.

SPEAKER_08 59:48

Like you could have been like, Well, there's one time we fucking and then it was like some self-serving thing. This is like getting kids watching them into the strategy, launch them into the sky, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:58

See I like that how far they go. That's a good one. That's one, yeah. Even though I didn't work in the bracket called sports marketing, sure in the thing, but you're yeah, you're in the mix, and you're we're all friends. We were lucky, we were so lucky to work with friends. Yeah, how often do you get to do that with a corporate wallet?

SPEAKER_08 1:00:16

Not common, especially with the big credit card dangling, dude.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:19

Like, yeah, don't get me started. Yeah, but but um product-wise, I mean, there's so much product, and you know, some of the projects uh of course meant more to me than others. Yeah, I think the when I got again, I think it's based around friends like get to work with C Less on and Jacob on the Friday project, yeah, Soul and taking like something that it's a bit far out of escape putting it more into the fashion world, like a brand, yeah, and then putting Custon at the center and almost making Eric human. How dare you! You know, custom was he wasn't such a pedestal, yeah, like the shoe one, two, three, like our tiger woods, and you're putting him on this, which he deserves that spot. But if you dehumanize him, are this next generation gonna gravitate? No, exactly. Yeah, and that was always my point. Like, how can I put him in the mix of a Villa Vester, Hugo? Yeah, you know, though they were kids, yeah. Villa was like 15 or 16 when we put him in that little you know, they all know custom. Yeah, but in that clip, they're gonna gravitate. Who who's that little kid? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And look at it now. That that's fucking Villa Vester.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:35

Yeah, that's cool, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:36

So having him part of it and making him more accessible, having him out in Europe.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:41

I think that was that was uh easy to say that basically, what were people like, yeah, it makes sense. Or how would you say that? Okay, you have to build five.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:51

You have to build a plan around it, yeah, in the sense of how Nike would love to see a plan.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:59

But I mean, we're ghost makers, or like we're yeah, the the agenda is different. The plan is one thing, but how we execute and what we actually made is way different. So, I mean, you have to play both, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:12

You hold the shiny thing over here and you make the shit happen over to the other side, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:17

And one thing I learned like you never ask for permission, because the the I think in a bigger company the answer would always be no. Yeah, because a lot of people are scared. You're scared because there's there's someone's boss boss, there's someone tapping in, looking in. It's better to do it, and I mean, ironically, just do it is their slogan. True, but like nobody, nobody just do it.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:40

You know, yeah, how about just did it? Then you say, like, hey man, it's kind of done.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:45

I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:46

Like that's a mic drop, you know. Yeah, just did it. Can't stop time, so but yeah, so many, but yeah, that's killer. I haven't uh to be honest, I haven't reflected yet. It's still I left it, yeah. I left it on good terms. I I'm still a fan, I'm I'm still part of it in some weird way, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:07

And a lot of people still think that you are Mr. Nike. They do, that's hard to wash out, yeah. It's like a brand now, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:13

You know, I had the same thing with Polar when I didn't write for Polar, but we did the video, yeah, and then getting congratulated for a year after the video, like, oh, it's so sick, you're on Polar with the boy. Like, I mean, I'm me. Yeah, why why is he winning that marketing?

SPEAKER_08 1:03:29

Yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:31

But I mean, I don't need to wash out the swish yet. I I haven't reflected yet. No, but don't worry about it. I'm I'm lucky to have been in the time and place when we had the opportunity to create this monster. Yeah, because that's what we did. Yeah, it was I mean and it did a lot for skateboarding. I think so, and that's that's the part that people forget. You know, it's easy to bash.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:54

I just uh Copenhagen open, I mean Street Lab, I mean all the doors basically that.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:01

Yeah, but imagine that we have skateboarders in Sweden that may make like doctors' wages. Yeah, you know what to do to become a doctor. And I'm I'm not discrediting any skateboarder, but to get paid from skating comes with a big price. Yes. Of course, your body and everything you go into, yeah, but at the same time, you know, it's pretty unreal that you can get that kind of money skating, even on this side of because again, the glass bubble, we my generation used to get a check of what 400 euros, 400 or 500. Yeah, that's like three pizzas and you know, 14 beers, and that's not Uber to drive on the side. No, so it was just on top of what else you did. Yeah, you had to have another work, yeah. You know, yeah, there was you can count them on two hands, three hands throughout of the 90s out here. It's insane. But like looking at kids now being 22, making doctors' wages, yeah, they put in the time. I don't discredit it. Yeah, maybe they should earn even more, yeah. But just to see that evolution and being in the mix of it, yeah, Nike put a lot of pressure on the other brands too.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:14

Yeah, I can see that. You know, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:16

I have a lot of friends that wrote for a lot of other shit, yeah, and they didn't get paid. Yeah, because that was like, wow, you're not in America. Why are you getting paid? Yeah, I think Blueprint was a brand that set the tone, you know. They were the royal family, you know, they were hooked up. That was the first one. Like the UK was a big market, so there was an industry kind of and they were making money, yeah, you know. But out here, only like Matthias Ringström, Ali Bulala, and Pontus Out.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:43

And they were out.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:44

Yeah, they had to go over there. I never went over there. Yeah, I sucked, so I couldn't go over there. But I went to UK because UK was what I gravitated towards. But yeah, never did it to make a dime, you know. Uh It was pure we we did it because we had fun doing it, and and I think everything else came with it. SP came in late out here, you know, 2006. They were already. Oh, it did.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:10

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:12

I started to work with them in 06, wrote for them 05. But you know, those 10 first years, yeah, that was like, whoa, it's a big experiment. And again, nobody else is doing anything.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:24

I mean, it's because it I'd seen Nike try and come in a couple times of skating, and it was just kind of a wreck. Like it almost, and then, and then you guys on both sides of the pond, I think, whatever you guys did finally figured it out, like cracked the code.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:38

Yeah, but that's you know, back to my comment on startups, because that's kind of what skateboarding is startups. Yeah, we're starting shit all the time. And maybe the first time around, they had the projection on like, oh, this needs to return XYZ in the first two years. Yeah, but that's impossible. No, you can't skateboarding is so um, it's such a core niche world that you know people are how do you say descend like they don't you don't um uh a level taller, you can't sway people very strongly, you can't convince them that easy. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:10

They're skaters are by nature so skeptical. That's what I mean. No, because it makes me not want it to be.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:16

You know, you want to you gotta give some to get some. And you think of when we sat there and had the opportunity to do all these things, just just media partners like funding the magazines. Yeah, if it's the right people, you're gonna go and back them, and then fingers crossed, they're gonna figure it out on the way. But I don't need a 10 10 fucking page business plan from these people that are in their industry, just like let's book every backside of this magazine and let's go. Yeah, I even, you know, when Free Mag started, I bankrolled, like I was like, I'll pay for every ad up front so you guys can start this. Hell yeah. Okay, and that's I think skateboarding had a lot of those big brothers that helped different uh entities, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:01

But you need those big brothers like infiltrated by skaters and stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:04

Exactly. It needs to be the right people on the right position.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:07

Just a guy who came over from the golf program who's like, Yeah, what the hell are we doing over there?

SPEAKER_07 1:08:10

Like uh he's gonna probably expect a return real quick, definitely, yeah. And people don't have patience, you know. Yeah, but who knows, you know. Like, look at I always um I think of Manek Mati, you know, we all gravitated toward S footwear, we are S footwear fans, you know. I had the Chetmask as first one. All of them, and and S was the coolest shit in the world, yeah. And then look at Menek Mati, how many, how many pros, how many aliens it's the A team ever in skateboarding, you know? Yeah, what happened like five or six years after the Manek Mati premiere? That company doesn't exist. Yeah, that was a weird one, or maybe even maybe it was even shorter. I don't know exactly when they folded first. It was damn close, but it was close, and you think of like going from that to like, oh, if I said to you on the premiere, like, oh, in two, three years this company's back. Yeah, imagine that. No, but that's skateboarding, that's the nature. Nothing have lived past twenty five years almost.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:15

Basically, yeah, or it has to die and then sort of come back once in a while, but yeah, it's like a good festival. You can't milk the thing forever.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:26

Maybe we need to go to Croatia to ruin that festival this year. We should bring Dustin Tollin. He did it, he was there. Oh boy. Um, no kidding, sorry. But uh yeah, maybe we didn't need to kill it and then rebuild stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:39

You just need to spot when the shelf life is over. You shouldn't actively kill it just because, but you should be able to spot the cracks in the foundation and be like, yeah, this thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:49

But the party is never over.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:51

Well, if you've got enough drugs, the party is never over, guys.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:58

I think the party the party just needs to get a little bit smaller. Because you know, you know, you have a house party, your idea in your head, it's like, oh, 30 people would be good. Yeah, and 300 shows up, and it's fucked.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:09

It's you know what happens. Suddenly you're on the news, yeah, trying to explain what happened to your whole neighborhood.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:14

And and you're burned out two weeks after because you yeah, yeah, you made ruined mom's carpet.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:21

How do we trick everything?

SPEAKER_07 1:10:22

We do what we like for those who care. For the for the closed ones. I mean, we we had an awesome event over the weekend, pal.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:30

Should we talk about that?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:31

Yeah, we can talk about that.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:33

That was like you guys, it's a special place for pal, for me as well, but m more so because he's from London. You know, it's the beginning of that scene kind of morphing together.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:44

What can you call this? Like a pop-up reunion. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, but it's it's like um it's for my hometown, it's like our old DIY spot, basically. In the outskirts of town, it's like a big concrete um slab. Yeah, it's a pile of land which is skatable. The best ground.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:07

Yeah, solid concrete floor.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:08

Like just old school, but it's not like slippery, it's like it felt like a game.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:15

It is like a house foundation, but then they didn't they never raised the house on it. Okay, yeah. So imagine you have the holes for the pillars that became straight away where you do tricks over. So you had this amazing like piece of land and it's all gravitated towards like a junkyard, basically, when we first started going there.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:33

So there was like just objects, millions of objects to like build stuff from.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:38

Yeah, the classic fridge, yeah, the EU pallets, you know, the pallets, two pallets and an iron bar, like you have a curb.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:45

Perfect size as well, and then it's like surrounded by trees. Yeah, so no one no one comes there except for the like the um you know the the blue collars out there, like electricians, you know, builders stashing their stuff. They go out there like once in a while and pick up their shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:02

You get some creatures lurking, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:04

And we did that for a bunch of years. I think we were active maybe like 13 years at least. Yeah. Um, you know, building and then like the five the last five years we started doing concrete stuff there as well. Uh but yeah, they tore it down, like the city tore it down a bunch of times, and we um managed to get like a lease for a year or two. Uh it was it's a long story. I we made a documentary about it if you want to see it. Um what's it called? It's called Gasteluk, because the spot is called Gastelukan, which is like I don't know, it's like a area in town, I guess. And Lycka means uh happiness. Um but um yeah, and they tore it down, and since I moved away from that town I think the last festival was 2016 because we did a bunch of festivals as well there, like music and skating and uh just maybe happen, basically. That was 2016. So then they tore it down later. Yeah, then they tore it down and then like no one attempted to do anything there. Like we were tired of like you know, rebuilding basically because the city was like, yeah, now it's really really happening. Like now, you know, we sold it, like it's gonna be a big house here now. And of course nothing happened, and I guess a couple of years ago we started like you know, investigating the idea of maybe doing something small there to see if you know we could revive it. And now it happened. Yeah, I I didn't do much to be honest. Uh I just gave them the pass. Mamo boys.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:55

He did the flyer a year ago.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:56

The Mamo Boys. Uh they needed somebody on the inside, you know, because it's locals only. Um, but um yeah, we just uh dragged a bunch of obstacles out there, like a you know, basically it looked like that from the beginning. Just like two kickers, a little curb, a flat rail, one shitty bank, and a fridge.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:18

I stole a fridge at the recycling center. You have to have a fridge. I asked them kindly, like, yeah, we're out here doing a music video. Like, is it cool? We just need to borrow a fridge. Yeah, and they're like really confused looking at me. You want a trash? They're like, uh, and the younger guy looking at the old head that was there. Yeah, and he's like, Oh, it's your decision. And he's like, Where are you gonna use it? I was like, gas license in Lund. Oh, but you can go to Lund. We have a recycling center there, you can go borrow one there. Yeah, and I was like, No, but I need it now. And he's like, he looked at me and like, you can return it here or in Lund. Please return it. Uh and I just like biggest smile, went in there, we lifted up. Definitely did you return it? I did not return it. I'm a bad guy.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:58

I'm not free on now in the nature.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:00

I wanted to leave everything there. Yeah, I didn't want to take down anything because it gave us, I mean, it gave me uh so much throwback uh memories and moments because I've spent so much time there. Yeah, and uh I felt like no, that fridge is gonna be the beginning of the new gas style. Hell yeah. So I'm going on Sunday to check if it's still there. Uh, and then we're gonna start building. I think I'm not tired of building. I'm gonna with the couple of friends, we're gonna start it again and then see if they ignore us for another 10 years.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:33

Let's see. Let's see what we're doing. Let's see, you know, I would be very well. Yeah, I would be happy. I would probably go down there more just to skate it. Yeah, we spoke about it yesterday. It felt like you were inside a memory skating. Yeah, it didn't feel like a dream, it felt like a memory, like because so many I I spent like I don't know, at least 10,000 hours there.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:55

More. That's not even enough. And um, you know, just like the air and the wind and the smell, everything is just like it's it's it's very weird to be there again. Yeah, you know, when you think that somebody something died kind of and you were allowed to like you know, revisit it. You could smell it again, yeah. Yeah, I mean we had grown men cry.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:20

Yeah, that's how sensitive it was to some of them. And there were a lot, and you know, a lot of people have the I can't tested the two, you know, kids.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:27

Yeah, I think a lot of people I grew up with a spot like that where like my fr I still they bulldozed the whole thing and just made it like you know picnic bench kind of park, and like I still walk the grounds when I'm home. Yeah, and I'm just like that's where that happened, that's where that happened, and I'll send a photo to a friend I hadn't seen in 20 years. My friend's actually home doing it now, sending me photos from of just grass. He's like, I'm here, dude. Like it's like it's pretty universal. You have these things that trigger something in your head, and you're just back there immediately.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:57

And it's not only skating, I mean it's everything. Yeah, it's like um I remember a friend passed, and I just went out there for a couple of days and like built a bar, you know, just to get you know, space and think. And uh a lot of people, you know, people got beat up there, we had fights, people got robbed. You know, people you know met a girl, a lot of girls, like their wives and stuff. It's like it's such an intense land culture, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:27

And it was fun to see that come to life. And I mean, we just got a little bit older, but it everybody was there. That's it and speaking about making the small party, the whole idea was this rat signal, like sending out past artwork and sending a personal invite for you and a friend, or bring yours. Yeah, not we didn't post anything on social because yeah, you don't have the permit, you don't want to start the ruckus, and we don't owe it to anybody either. True, you know, if we're we're just doing it because we really want to do it.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:57

You're not trying to like make turn a profit off this operation.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:00

No, I think but I think also like why am I doing like why, why, yeah, because we want to do this with friends, that's why, and then it becomes very easy, yeah. You know, it's just time, basically.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:13

Yeah, I think that sounds great. I love the idea of doing things without telling everybody, and I think that that's the biggest challenge today.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:20

Yeah. To not include everyone. Yeah, you know what I mean. Including by exclusion, of course you want to include everyone, but it's like you don't need to do everything public. No, we've been forced to include everybody for fucking 15 years. Yeah, now everyone's just like, oh, it's so nice to have like a little private party.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:39

I mean, we had back right before I moved, there was this thing, and like that was happening, it was when everyone was so inclusive and everything had to be a safe space for everything. And all the like parks, like Blue Park, you might recognize, like, you'd show up and there would be like a rally happening, like on your on the curb, and everyone's selfieing because of inclusive, and it like had looped over so far in like the extreme direction that it was like a summer of ruined skate areas because like everything had to be this like everybody needs to mob out on this one thing, and everything is one group in unity, but there's really a bunch of different groups, and no one wants to acknowledge that, and that's fine too. But like it was blowing things out right and left again, and it rather than like r retracting and keeping things special, it was like a completely open door policy where no one gave a shit because I'm allowed to be here, and I think like that's not the skating that we grew up in. It was like, no, if you're coming here, you're respecting the hell out of it, and you're cool if you just act respectable. That's it. That's the fucking bottom line. It isn't like you're entitled to be part of our thing because of everything, you're not entitled to anything. No, you have to show up and be respectable to people.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:58

I mean, we clean the place an hour after all, even these invites. I mean, that's clean it. Like, why don't you fucking bring your cans? Yeah, am I your mother? Yeah, you know, people don't get that. So you gotta be giving then. You gotta bring it.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:11

No, they're taking exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:12

You gotta bring it back. We gotta bring it back, right, Pat? Yeah, it was great. We need a plan to bring Gasta back.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:18

Yeah, for sure. Every day I get up and I pray for Bam to lose weight and for Ted to move to sleep.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:26

Bam is the hottest skater in 2060, 2016.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:29

Dude, my man refuses to shrink. I do not understand how my man cannot drop pounds if he's skating 50 hours a day every single day.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:38

You don't know what his snack routine is.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:40

It must be just straight up garbage. Yeah. Absolute trash. Like he must be putting Twinkies all day. Twinkies. Yeah, it's not a good thing. Because if you're not drinking, which I I'm willing to trust that he's not drinking, and you're skating and sweating, like something shifts. Even if you're an older guy, it falls off. My man looks like a bulldog.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:03

Um but he looks cool. But I am enjoying it.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:06

He looks good on the board. I'm enjoying it.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:07

He's got a new wife again, and he's doing the fat man lip tricks.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:11

Yeah, but it's so sick. I I support it all, dude. I look he looks to see the roll up, just fake you bull.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:18

Yeah, you forgot that he has his own like bag of tricks, kind of yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:22

It's really some of it, but still unexpected. Yeah, no, I I love to see this.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:27

It's a little redemption story is good for everybody.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:31

Um but um so you guys got a big week that's happening right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:35

We are currently in the Fest Deval.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:38

Feste of All.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:40

Yes. Uh Daniel also works with uh Skate Shop. Yes, and the brand. So he's here for that reason. Uh yesterday we did a Thai um restaurant collabor. I mean, maybe we should just do the sponsor. Oh, yeah, we're sponsored sponsor. I forgot. Yeah, we're sponsored by this Bondegarton's finest. Yes, Bondegarton 50th. Maybe you should do the um the commercial now, Yuga. Should I do it? Yeah. What is the commercial? Ciao na.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:19

Oh, look at that man.

unknown 1:24:46

That was cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:47

That was great. Very fun. Power and tight.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:50

He put that together. Yeah, he did all the vocals, all the voices.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:53

They forced me to learn the language in different octaves.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:57

Yeah, did a young voice, older voice.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:59

I had to record them. Actually, no, Anise, the owner, one of the owners, he sent me um the voice for the little kid and for the angry boss. Yeah. And then I tweaked them a little bit. And then, oh, but yeah, we're sponsored by these guys, by the way. This is the sponsor mexicity.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:15

Go get the things from them.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:18

Yeah. Uh, but and then I went to the kitchen to record Jan, the um one of the girls cooking and um from the chef.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:28

Oh, so you recorded them speaking?

SPEAKER_06 1:25:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:30

Oh, I thought you literally did it yourself, dog.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:33

Oh man, I'm not that good at any language. But I can say um pat tie tahu cop.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:39

Man, that's a crazy sound.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:41

It's pretty cool, right? What is that? How are you guys? No, no, that means can I get a pad thai with tofu?

SPEAKER_07 1:25:47

Okay. Which is also you don't know the language.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:50

I'm not good at you could use that as a greeting, though, if you meet a Thai person.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:54

You know, Klapung Cop.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:55

What's that mean?

SPEAKER_07 1:25:57

Thank you. I don't know. No? I don't know. I don't know. I've been there once.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:04

I guess that's it. Maybe we should wrap it up with that because it's kind of a pleasure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:09

A treat and a surprise. You surprised me. That's what we woke up like this.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:14

Yeah, I loved it. I love that you just said, okay, I guess we're doing this. Uh it's great having you on. Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:21

I don't think there would be any other way to do it. If I would have asked, you wouldn't have never, you would like. I would probably not do that. No, I just showed up. Too soon. Too soon.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:30

Need to get get into it. But uh, I had no choice today. It's easy once you're once you're captured.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:39

And then you can say you gotta do it. You can't leave. True. Um awesome, man. So shinner app, shin eye app.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:50

That's it for now. Hell yeah. More shit coming soon.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:53

You're gonna help me skate better with all this. Yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:56

Gotta figure out your insults. Gotta get the candies in there.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:00

Uh all right, man. I guess that's it. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:03

And I'll see you next week.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:07

I'm gonna go there.